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we are taking a break this week from

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spooky listener tales to talk briefly

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about the big announcement from former

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blink-182 frontmen Tom DeLonge for a

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little under six months now Tom DeLonge

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has been teasing some grand reveal about

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what he's learned and where his work is

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heading within the realm of the UFO

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reality and UFO studies well on October

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11th that official announcement by

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DeLong was finally made and the response

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has certainly been mixed so let's start

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with what the announcement actually was

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with a concise description from punk

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rock and UFOs blogger Mike Demonte Mike

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writes Tom DeLong's big announcement is

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the formation of the to the stars

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Academy of Arts and Science which

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promises to focus on synergistic

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divisions of science aerospace and

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entertainment DeLong is joined by an

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impressive list of former government

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officials from national security and the

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scientific community to help push the

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progress forward in research advanced

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technology and informative storytelling

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which is likely where the secret

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machines fiction and nonfiction

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franchises fit thank you for that very

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concise description Mike

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now beyond what my covered we have also

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learned that DeLong will be creating

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documentaries movies and TV shows

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alongside the books this is rubbing a

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lot of people the wrong way as nothing

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more than a huge entertainment cash grab

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also you can invest in the Academy and

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be given exclusive information as it

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progresses for a price the lowest level

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of investment two hundred bucks now when

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I posted this announcement on the

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somewhere in the skies Facebook group

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the comments exploded and right now I

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wanted to give you just a small taste of

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what some listeners think about this

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whole thing some were very supportive of

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the endeavor and some not so much let's

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start with the more optimistic responses

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Chris writes quote loved it and I hope

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it succeeds I did my part with investing

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end quote Matthew also likes the idea of

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the to the stars Academy stating that he

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is quote very supportive of this

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research being done in the public

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therefore a change with visibility very

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excited for the future hope it gets some

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traction and quick Chris and Matthew are

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joined by Scott who also says quote I

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applaud the conception and welcome the

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proposition forward thinking on high

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level and quo now even with a skeptical

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Debbie also curries stating quote some

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good will come of it and it smacks the

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whole possibility of disclosure in the

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face I say give this a fighting chance

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but that skeptical eye widens and some

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are a bit more cautious Michael writes

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quote sounds like they're not really

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hidden information but rather want to

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raise money for a super hyped new MUFON

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John also cautions us that these

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announcements have been made before he

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says quote I'm old enough to remember

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those who were burned by Dodi the aviary

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and brog know Jonathan Reed are any

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number of deeply entrenched insiders who

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were going to break this phenomena wide

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open again I find this fine

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I support open honest thoughts and ideas

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but as with any announcement

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breakthrough or information in this

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community regarding this phenomena time

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and caution should be taken at every

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turn and lemon bread also brings the

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individuals involved under scrutiny of

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their motivations he says quote I would

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be curious to know what exactly those

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aerospace and military members know or

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believe to be true based on their

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personal knowledge are they just

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interested people who are approaching

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this topic from the same position we all

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are or did their work in the classified

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world expose them to certain truths or

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facts that make this phenomenon more

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than curious endeavor for them I think

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that matters because otherwise we just

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have another group of curious guys who

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want some funding to play UFO Hunters

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end quote Michael H Wright's fascinating

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pitch hopefully somewhere in that

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inspirational mixed bag of building

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flying saucers exploring ESP and funding

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anomalies I doubt it though

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I see no engagement of the phenomena

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with this tech entertainment startup and

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quote the less listener coming brings us

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DeLonge has always aimed high but

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logistically this will be hard to pull

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off in addition to all the other things

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he wants to do with a relatively small

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operation DeLong has lofty ambitions

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here that he's likely to not fully

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achieve but if all we get out of this is

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documentation or confirmation via this

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weekly show it won't be a total bust

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unquote now before we go any further on

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either revering or rejecting this entire

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endeavor I find it only fair to include

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DeLong's own words on this so here's a

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portion from his live broadcast

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announcement have a listen we're living

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in an age where a new universal view of

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ourselves is possible

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and revolutionary technology is finally

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within our reach if we just have the

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courage to grasp it and whether it's

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trying to launch satellites into space

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with lasers which we are aiming to do or

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making major motion pictures that spark

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the imagination of generations to come

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the rule must be the same no one person

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one government or one hidden institution

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should own this information and

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technology unto themselves and we must

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relentlessly pursue access to the

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information that will shape our future

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look very closely at these people and

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who they are and take notice of where

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they come from and think about the

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realities of what this team has the

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ability to accomplish and deliver if

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we're fully equipped and be a part of

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making history and join us at the start

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we cannot wait and depend for others

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depend on others to do it for us and you

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have the ability to take the ownership

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from day one and keep all this in the

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public's hands and that is my goal here

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you can join us and own a piece of this

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because that's what it's going to take

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for this to happen and you have to visit

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to the Stars academy.com and click on

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the invest button and you will learn

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about the regulation a equity

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crowdfunding and this process removes

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the middleman and

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Matisse's access to equity ownership go

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to to the Stars academy.com you can read

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the offering circular you can see the

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business plan you can see the investment

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opportunities and all the risks involved

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investing in this type of a venture but

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this may be the only time in history you

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will ever see one of the biggest

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aerospace engineers in the world a

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senior intelligence officer from the CIA

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two former senior Pentagon officials and

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an experimental physicist from the DoD

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take a giant leap of faith to tell you

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something and I ask that you listen very

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carefully these guys really went out on

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a limb here and the only way to do this

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is if we do it in the public realm and

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the only way to bring it out to you is

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if you help us we're offering you the

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opportunity to be on the ground floor of

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building the future and this is only the

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beginning there's so much more coming

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we're making history and I'm inviting

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you to be wonderfully surprised at what

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we got in store thank you so much okay

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now that list of individuals involved is

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quite impressive I personally have to

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admit you have people like Jim Sullivan

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who is former CIA you've also got how

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put off who has worked with GE the NSA

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NASA and even the DoD you also have

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for advanced systems with skunkworks and

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even a former Deputy Assistant Secretary

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of Defense for intelligence Chris Mellon

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DeLonge first teased that he was working

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with prominent people he most definitely

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wasn't lying

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but what leaves most of the public

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questioning all this is why these

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individuals have come forward with what

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they know to start this entire endeavor

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with DeLong it seems that very little of

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this project actually has to do with

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UFOs this isn't a grand disclosure or

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even a partial disclosure that many were

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either naively expecting or wishfully

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hoping for it is an ambitious project

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helmed by a businessman into law who

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definitely knows his but also knows

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that in order for any of this to happen

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a ton of money needs to be raised and

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invest

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for any of this to actually happen but

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some may not realize is that both

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secrecy and transparency can be very

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expensive and with these individuals

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involved money will be going in and

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going out pumped through channels that

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the Academy deems worthy and the

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filtered knowledge and information will

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then be given to the public that invest

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but what about those who don't is this

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just a large-scale mufon membership

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feedback loop or is it indeed a

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groundbreaking step forward for Humanity

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in terms of technological advancement

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and aerospace exploration is

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pre-existing UFO technology a part of

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any of this there are so many questions

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and just like we all waited for ever for

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this announcement to be made I have no

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doubt that we will wait just as long to

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truly see where this is all heading

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personally I will continue to safely dip

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my toes in the shallow end watching from

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the periphery as this all unfolds and

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the boys club dives deeper and deeper

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but just like the listeners above I'd

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love to hear your thoughts have you

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invested what do you think the end game

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is here please send me your thoughts and

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comments by using the contact tab on the

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website somewhere in the skies calm and

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now let's switch gears and get to this

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week's topic and guessed it has become

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one of the most popular and critically

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acclaimed podcasts to date lore is a

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biweekly show about nonfiction scary

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stories each episode examines historical

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events that show the dark side of human

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nature usually through the lens of

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folklore the series was created in 2015

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by Erin manky and received the iTunes

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best of 2015 award the podcast was also

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given the award for the best history

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podcast by the Academy of podcasters in

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2016 at the end of 2016 the podcaster

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was included in the top lists by the

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Atlantic and Entertainment Weekly but it

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doesn't end there this past Friday the

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13th the podcast came to television life

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with Amazon studios at the helm from the

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executive producer of The Walking Dead

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and the executive producer of the

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x-files this anthology series brings to

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life Aaron Menkes lore podcast and

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uncovers the real-life events that

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spawned our darkest nightmares

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throughout history fear was best kept

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closed but folklore has a way of keeping

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the door open wide allowing stories to

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live and breathe the creep inside and

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haunt us I'm Aaron manky this is Laura

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today I pull a fascinating interview out

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of the vault where I speak with Laura

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creator Aaron makey makey is the writer

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host and producer of lore as well as the

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author of a number of supernatural

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thrillers he has a deep love of the

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mysterious and frightening that began

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with unsolved mysteries and the x-files

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a love that continues to this day

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basically he's a nerd for anything

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unexplainable or supernatural manky

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lives with his family in the historic

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North Shore area of Boston the very

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heart of Lovecraft country and the

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epicenter of the Salem witch trials so

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without further ado let's continue our

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Halloween countdown with Aaron manky

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just a warning

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my personal audio during this interview

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is not exactly top-notch technical

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issues definitely got the best of me

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during this recording but we soldiered

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on on the flipside manky sounds

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incredible as a multi million download

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podcasts Trude thanks for your

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understanding

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and I hope you enjoy thanks for joining

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us Aaron thanks for having me Ryan

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appreciate it so when did your interest

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in folk lore really first begin here and

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what is your origin story yes well it

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doesn't begin in a vat of toxic

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chemicals so that's probably a good

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thing you know I think folklore and

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legends it sounds cliche but they've

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been a part of my life since probably

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grade school and I'm thinking maybe 10

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years old or younger you know I don't

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know how old you are and but my like I

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was always sent home with those

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scholastic reader catalogs my kids get

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these now too so I'm gonna sit done them

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for decades you know it's it was a place

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where people like fell in love with

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books you could pick up you know a book

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on NSYNC or Battlestar Galactica but you

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could also pick up you know classics I

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think my mom used it to get me my first

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fantasy set which was The Hobbit in The

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Lord of the Rings and it was I think it

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was a book from the Scholastic Reader at

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some point when I was in grade school

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that had

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like a collection of ghost stories and

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mysterious events I remember a story

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about a person walking into a like a

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circle in a cornfield and then vanishing

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you know just things like that that was

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that was the book that really kicked it

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off for me and then of course I was

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growing up in the in the 80s and so my

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interest took root in shows like

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unsolved mysteries and and then later on

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the x-files

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and then it's just been a part of me

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ever since what's there always a keen

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interest or maybe a personal experience

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in the odd or the the unexplainable that

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sort of sent you on this path to

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research this type of topic and subtopic

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says it were well not not particularly

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like an event in my own life I have to

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sit down and think about it for a while

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and I haven't had a chance to do that

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but I the only the only odd event that's

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ever happened in my life I think at some

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point right after college I saw like a

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white lady on the side of the road

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driving through the cornfields of

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Illinois but you know it's also modeled

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by a couple decades of memories but but

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you know for them for the most part my

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interest is really just born out of you

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know like again this this love of the of

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the of the the ghost stories the

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mysterious the unsolved mysteries kind

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of thing and also just a deep love of

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history I think I've always been

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fascinated with learning as much as I

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can about different periods of history

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and and the way the stories are passed

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on and I didn't realize that I was

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collecting all of these interests into

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something that would one day become what

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it is but but you know hindsight's 2020

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like they say and I look back and I'm

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and it's kind of obvious to me now that

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oh yeah of course with all of these

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interests combined this is this is what

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I should be doing so yeah there's been

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pieces of it along the way gotcha yeah

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we will definitely go into the history

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aspect for sure Aaron you've described

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Laura your podcast that we mentioned

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earlier obviously M as almost an happy

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accident like tripping upon it almost

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could you give us sort of a a back story

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as to how the podcast came to be yeah

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absolutely I mean so basically I had

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been writing and self-publishing my own

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supernatural thrillers for about two

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years that I've written three novels and

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I was really actually giving it was

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ready to give up I was I was a full-time

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designer been writing my own

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design business for about eight years

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and I noticed that every time I wrote a

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book my business would suffer and it

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wasn't because I was somehow taking my

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foot off the gas or not marketing for

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that period of time I just I never

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marketed my business at all it was

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always word-of-mouth so I noticed a

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pattern and I realized you know I'm

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selling three or four books a month you

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know it wasn't even enough to pay for

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the coffee I was drinking while I was

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writing the books let alone you know

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recoup my my time investment so I got to

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the point where I just realized it was

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hard to justify a hobby that wasn't

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paying for itself

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and I mean novels take a lot of time you

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know I I wrote my latest one I wrote

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really fast I dedicated myself to at

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least a thousand words a day so I wrote

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I wrote you know and like a ninety

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thousand word book in about 45 days you

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know it was it was like I can't do this

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during you know National Novel Writing

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Month for some odd reason I can't do it

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but but during during January of last

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year I just I cranked out a book so you

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know it's but it takes a lot of time

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then there's all the other stuff when

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you're self-publishing you know having a

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professional cover design and doing the

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layout and getting it all disseminated

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to the stores online so I just decided I

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needed to figure out if it was really

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worth it or not so as a final you know

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last-ditch effort my Hail Mary was I

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decided I would write this non-fiction

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exploration of like some of my favorite

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myths and legends the history behind

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them you know and then give that away to

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people in exchange for their email

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address because that's what's what all

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the pros will tell you is you need to

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build a bigger mailing list and then you

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have direct contact with your readers

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you can you can share excitement and

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behind-the-scenes stuff and it's all

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it's all good it's about community

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building and I like that but you know so

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in theory I thought with a bigger

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mailing list maybe I could sell more

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fiction and then that would actually

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justify my time in the end this this

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nonfiction giveaway thing just got too

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long honestly and I don't I don't have a

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lot of time to sit down a read for

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pleasure outside of the stuff I do for

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lore but but it's usually reading on a

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screen or in audio format so I thought

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you know this thing is like 15,000 words

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long at this point maybe I should just

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record one of them and see if if that's

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good enough as a giveaway and so I

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recorded the first one which ended up

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being in episode 1 of lore I let a

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friend listen to idea it's very similar

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in

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said you know I this needs to be a

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podcast Aaron you can't don't give this

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away make this a podcast and I thought

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you know what the heck what do I have to

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lose and and he was right so the rest I

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guess is history right right yeah I mean

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I've been listening since pretty much

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day one my girlfriend and I and like you

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said it's that word of mouth that really

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gets it out there and it really is it is

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and that plays very well into the whole

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oral tradition of folklore absolutely

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you know but I email me all the time and

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say Aaron you know you've you really

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created something amazing like how do i

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how do I go out and start a successful

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podcast and my answer is always you know

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it's tongue-in-cheek but it you know

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like you just got to create something

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that's really really good so good that

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people will talk about it with other

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people

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unfortunately there's no like steps in

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there it's just that's what it is create

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something worth talking about and then

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people will talk about it it'll grow and

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I I somehow accidentally managed to do

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that so how do you go about your

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research and where do you find your

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stories for more well you know stories

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are like ogres they're like onions so a

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lot of the time I find stories while I'm

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researching other stories which is

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really great because I often don't have

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time to sit down to think like okay

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what's my next topic usually what

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happens is while I'm working on you know

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Episode X I find for more ideas that I

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just kind of make note of and file them

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away so I take a lot of notes I save a

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lot of articles both you know like an

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online article on a website or sources

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that I find through books I'll take

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pictures of pages and make bibliography

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stuff set up just for later use I use

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Evernote for just about everything for

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lore on the research side so you know

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the fact that I can I can jump in and

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highlight things that's so that later on

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when I come back I know what paragraph

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really you know ticked off the

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inspiration and so yes so basically

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topics start with some sort of

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inspiration or memory of something that

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I might have bumped into or heard and

548
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then I just like I chase down as many

549
00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:30,780
sources as I can you know historical

550
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:32,790
accounts and books and articles and

551
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:35,700
whatnot and I read a ton but the

552
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:36,930
Internet's made it a lot easier than

553
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,370
this might have been you know thirty

554
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:40,860
years ago Google has hundreds of

555
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:42,810
millions I think of books on their books

556
00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:43,510
Google

557
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:45,940
komm website you know just like you

558
00:21:49,290 --> 00:21:47,410
would search for images you can you can

559
00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:49,300
go to books google comm and you can type

560
00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:52,660
in Robert the doll and and put that in

561
00:21:55,530 --> 00:21:54,220
quotation marks so it grabs the phrase

562
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:55,540
and then hit search and it'll search

563
00:22:00,360 --> 00:21:57,850
through books that it's scanned in for a

564
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:00,370
topic and so I don't have to then you

565
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,190
know buy 20 books on you know paranormal

566
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,200
stories and go digging for what I need

567
00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:07,360
what I need floats to the surface then I

568
00:22:11,550 --> 00:22:09,220
can read that I can cite those sources I

569
00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:11,560
can run with that that info and and and

570
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:13,900
move quicker because the episodes take a

571
00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:15,490
little bit of time to put together you

572
00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:17,140
know when I first started listening and

573
00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:19,540
you were telling these stories it struck

574
00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:21,700
me I said where is he getting this from

575
00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:24,040
is he is he sitting down in almost

576
00:22:29,820 --> 00:22:26,200
writing these phantom essays to himself

577
00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:29,830
and I was so you know delighted to hear

578
00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:32,920
that yes you take the time to write your

579
00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:35,680
entire story as it yeah in your own

580
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:37,720
words and convey that to the audience

581
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:40,360
yeah absolutely that struck me most as a

582
00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:43,810
writer myself so I you know I write it

583
00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:45,990
so you know I tell people this takes me

584
00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:50,620
about 40 hours from inception to through

585
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:51,580
the research and writing process

586
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:53,110
recording and production and then

587
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,610
putting it out that's about 40 hours of

588
00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:55,360
my time

589
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:56,980
and because Laura's a business for me

590
00:23:00,930 --> 00:22:58,330
now I mean this is it's my full-time

591
00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:00,940
jobs I have sponsors right so that

592
00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:03,460
brings in communication with sponsors

593
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,920
and billing and invoices and you know

594
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:07,360
taking care of things on the tax side

595
00:23:11,070 --> 00:23:08,890
like there's there's a whole world of

596
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,080
the business side that's not the sexy oh

597
00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:12,880
cool I want to be a podcaster kind of

598
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:14,560
thing but it comes with the territory

599
00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:17,530
you have to just let that in if you get

600
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,460
to that part and that's that's

601
00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:20,320
everybody's hope so just be ready if you

602
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:21,640
want to have a successful podcast with

603
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:23,590
lots of sponsors and stuff then you're

604
00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:24,910
gonna spend a lot of time in QuickBooks

605
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:27,790
it's a business it is it is so you know

606
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:30,010
40 hours a week forty hours per episode

607
00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:31,330
and then I've got the other forty

608
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:32,590
because I'm doing them every two weeks

609
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:35,050
so essentially half my time is spent on

610
00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:36,490
creating the episode and then half my

611
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:37,900
time is spent on running the business

612
00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:40,510
and marketing and interacting with with

613
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,740
listeners and things like that

614
00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:44,320
yeah it but I write them and write them

615
00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:46,150
as if I'm going to say them you know I I

616
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:47,740
don't I don't write a term paper and

617
00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:49,450
then and then try to read that because

618
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:51,100
reading things that are written for

619
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:53,650
print is it's awkward you know some

620
00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:55,570
syllables just don't like to be said

621
00:23:57,390 --> 00:23:57,040
next to another syllable but they look

622
00:23:59,790 --> 00:23:57,400
good

623
00:24:02,250 --> 00:23:59,800
paper so that's that I tend to write it

624
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:02,260
in a more maybe this is what speech

625
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:03,850
writers do I don't know but this is this

626
00:24:07,230 --> 00:24:05,350
is what I've kind of intuited in my way

627
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,240
into I hit somebody email me just this

628
00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:09,520
morning who said I love your podcast but

629
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:12,220
you've got to stop saying you see a few

630
00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:14,050
times per episode but you know like if

631
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:15,670
you were sitting in front of me or we

632
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,170
were at a campfire and I was telling a

633
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:18,640
story there are things that would come

634
00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:19,330
out of me

635
00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:21,280
vocally and that we're just I don't know

636
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:23,680
if I want to call them tics or its it's

637
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:25,690
part of the it's part of the fingerprint

638
00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:28,960
of of my storytelling voice and that's

639
00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:30,670
that's part of it I think you only

640
00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:33,430
notice things like you see or sometimes

641
00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:35,320
or you know the words that I say often

642
00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:36,940
enough in an episode I think it's when

643
00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:38,950
people binge through you know 10 or 20

644
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:41,020
episodes at once right they start to

645
00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:41,890
notice things like that if you're

646
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:43,030
listening to it every other week it's

647
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:45,250
not a big deal so well it's funny the

648
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,050
little things that people will nitpick

649
00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:49,120
but 99% of the email I get is really

650
00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:51,100
positive so that's that's right I have

651
00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:52,660
to hold on to that all right it's a

652
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,460
court man it makes you the character

653
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:56,320
that you are for sure absolutely

654
00:25:01,140 --> 00:24:58,450
yeah speaking of writing uh does your

655
00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:01,150
research into folklore or superstition

656
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:03,400
does it ever bleed into your novel

657
00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:06,490
writing kind of backwards actually so

658
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:10,120
lore was was in a sense born because of

659
00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:12,730
the research I was doing for the novels

660
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:14,620
so then the novels that I write are kind

661
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:16,530
of in the vein of like like Stephen King

662
00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:19,930
except I'm not as good as him I mean you

663
00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:22,150
know he's the master so I sit at his

664
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:24,220
feet but but as far as like the generous

665
00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:27,240
concern you know I take really obscure

666
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,740
superstition mythology folklore whatnot

667
00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:31,360
that's that's local to an area usually

668
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:32,800
New England for me because that's where

669
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:34,930
I live and it's just a it's an area

670
00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:37,320
that's dripping with with folklore

671
00:25:43,950 --> 00:25:40,420
European American Indian you know the

672
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,960
specifically the Algonquin tribes that

673
00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:45,760
lived in the northeast part of the

674
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:46,990
United States like there's just so much

675
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:49,840
really great stuff here so a lot of that

676
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:52,810
mythology is where the seeds of my books

677
00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:54,490
come from and of course I live five

678
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:55,870
minutes from Salem where the witch

679
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,570
trials happened in 1692 so there's just

680
00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:00,880
a lot going on so the what happens is

681
00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:02,800
I'm researching looking for the right

682
00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:04,600
you know what's the right thing at the

683
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:06,430
center of this book and I'll find six

684
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,050
things and then in the end I pick one of

685
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:09,760
them well now I've got five other things

686
00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:11,140
that I've filed away and

687
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:13,179
and so I noticed that I I had this this

688
00:26:17,130 --> 00:26:14,860
file in Evernote growing of you know

689
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:17,140
future topics or cool ideas or folklore

690
00:26:21,419 --> 00:26:19,510
to pursue and and it was out of that

691
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,429
folder that that the first you know

692
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:23,200
three or four episodes of lore kind of

693
00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:25,000
came about I was the book I was the the

694
00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:26,260
little giveaway I was writing was going

695
00:26:31,169 --> 00:26:27,640
to be called my five favorite New

696
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:31,179
England myths and it included the mercy

697
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:33,370
Brown story from episode one the the

698
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:35,049
host ik tunnel from episode two

699
00:26:40,830 --> 00:26:38,500
there was the Dover demon which was a

700
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:40,840
later episode that one needs a lot of

701
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,910
fleshing out so I I came back to that

702
00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:44,799
one later and I really expanded upon it

703
00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:48,040
but yeah um so it it wasn't necessarily

704
00:26:52,169 --> 00:26:50,440
that the lower bleeds back into although

705
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:52,179
maybe it will you know maybe because I

706
00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:53,590
haven't written a book in a year now so

707
00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:55,630
maybe maybe the the writing techniques

708
00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:57,280
and you know the research process and

709
00:26:59,940 --> 00:26:58,510
all that is gonna bleed back over but

710
00:27:01,770 --> 00:26:59,950
for the most part it was it was

711
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:01,780
leftovers from the books that became

712
00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:04,330
more well I mean one of those books

713
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:06,460
grave suspicion like you mentioned that

714
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:09,250
sort of that core to the book for me in

715
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:12,970
this book was witches and again like you

716
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:14,890
said your main character Sam having

717
00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:16,330
grown up in the Salem area

718
00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:18,520
what sort of made you compelled to write

719
00:27:24,539 --> 00:27:20,980
about which is in this latest book and

720
00:27:27,299 --> 00:27:24,549
the certain lineage that your characters

721
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,309
have to to these incidents back in Salem

722
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,919
well you know like a lot of writers my

723
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:32,020
my strategy has come come to me with

724
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:33,940
kind of like a what-if scenario and I

725
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:36,370
remember thinking what if note like we

726
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,169
have all these documents and we have all

727
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:40,000
this oral history and then the public

728
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,130
perception of what happened in 1692 with

729
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:44,799
witches the witch trials in Salem uh-huh

730
00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:48,100
but what if what if the you know and

731
00:27:51,419 --> 00:27:49,179
there's there's all these like symptoms

732
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:51,429
or supernatural occurrences that are

733
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,980
listed what if they were real like what

734
00:27:59,130 --> 00:27:56,320
if what if the things that happened were

735
00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:59,140
real but the but the person who was to

736
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:01,570
blame never got caught you know what if

737
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:04,410
it wasn't all of those people who were

738
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:07,000
prosecuted and some of some of whom were

739
00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:09,910
hung what if it wasn't the people who

740
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:12,309
took the blame because it was very easy

741
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:14,049
to become suspicious in people's eyes

742
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:15,610
back then what if it was what if it was

743
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,690
somebody who slipped through the cracks

744
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:18,880
but actually did those things and then I

745
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:20,230
started playing with that you know and

746
00:28:25,049 --> 00:28:22,390
so a lot of the plot of grave suspicion

747
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:25,059
comes out of the idea of well

748
00:28:28,769 --> 00:28:26,470
what if we're sitting here today we're

749
00:28:31,049 --> 00:28:28,779
looking back like if that person got

750
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:31,059
away what kind of a thread would be left

751
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:32,860
through history and you know does that

752
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:34,330
speak to anything that could be going on

753
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:35,620
today if that makes any sense

754
00:28:39,539 --> 00:28:37,450
absolutely yeah I mean it was a

755
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:39,549
page-turner for sure and thinks that's

756
00:28:45,149 --> 00:28:42,490
what ifs are always you know what we try

757
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,159
to cover on our show yeah for sure um

758
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:46,960
are there any topics there in going back

759
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,950
to lore that you found most I guess most

760
00:28:54,659 --> 00:28:52,960
intriguing or have either stretched your

761
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:54,669
beliefs or made you more suspicious

762
00:28:58,289 --> 00:28:56,529
there's somewhere in between anything

763
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:58,299
that really sticks out to you you know I

764
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:00,190
try not to land on one side of the fence

765
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,230
of the other I'm I'm enthralled by the

766
00:29:07,259 --> 00:29:04,330
stories you know by the actions the

767
00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:07,269
beliefs of the people who lived in these

768
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:09,700
you know years before us how the beliefs

769
00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:12,940
inform society and families and the way

770
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,889
people interacted with each other that

771
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:16,450
you know the the I think the episodes

772
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:18,490
that really have connected with me the

773
00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:20,409
most both in just reading about them and

774
00:29:24,090 --> 00:29:22,179
then writing them were episodes like

775
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:24,100
black stockings where you have you know

776
00:29:28,049 --> 00:29:25,990
Bridget Cleary becomes sick and her

777
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,059
husband because of this deep Irish

778
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:29,679
folklore from from where they lived

779
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:32,230
convinced him that his wife wasn't

780
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:33,820
really his wife that she had been

781
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:36,490
replaced by a fairy changeling and there

782
00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:40,240
were there were rules and and and steps

783
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:42,249
that you could take in in the folklore

784
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:43,960
of that area that that helps you figure

785
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:46,360
out if she was a changeling and and how

786
00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:48,730
to get rid of her and unfortunately it's

787
00:29:52,379 --> 00:29:50,860
kind of like the you know the well we'll

788
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:52,389
dunk the witch in the water and if she

789
00:29:55,259 --> 00:29:53,980
drowns she wasn't a witch and if she

790
00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:55,269
doesn't drown then she's a witch and

791
00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:57,190
we'll kill her you know it's there's

792
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,289
there's this broken logic to a lot of it

793
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:01,360
and the people because it's folklore

794
00:30:03,899 --> 00:30:02,470
because it's part of their upbringing

795
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:03,909
the culture that they live in and

796
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,470
there's the social pressures to believe

797
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:07,570
what everybody else believes they do

798
00:30:12,509 --> 00:30:10,210
some really horrific things even even

799
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:12,519
not not because they're horrific people

800
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,830
but because they're they're almost

801
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:17,440
trapped between you know society and

802
00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:20,529
belief and desperation and so you know

803
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,460
black stockings was one of those

804
00:30:25,369 --> 00:30:23,440
episodes that really kind of reached out

805
00:30:29,399 --> 00:30:25,379
and grabbed a hold of me and other was

806
00:30:32,129 --> 00:30:29,409
you know have hung about or have hang

807
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,139
sorry to be grammatically correct having

808
00:30:37,019 --> 00:30:34,000
about Mary Webster in Western

809
00:30:38,909 --> 00:30:37,029
Massachusetts and in her you know trial

810
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:38,919
if you want to call it that

811
00:30:43,769 --> 00:30:41,049
as a witch yeah those are the ones that

812
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:43,779
the ones where you see society kind of

813
00:30:48,539 --> 00:30:45,519
become the monster that's where it

814
00:30:50,249 --> 00:30:48,549
really hits home for me hey guys I have

815
00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:50,259
to interrupt this week's interview for

816
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:51,820
just a moment to remind you once again

817
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you were once quoted as saying sometimes

837
00:31:44,849 --> 00:31:43,029
folklore is paint on top of a messy

838
00:31:46,919 --> 00:31:44,859
human situation and we tell it through

839
00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:46,929
the lens of a fairy tale or scary story

840
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:49,389
because humans really can't be the

841
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:52,090
monsters um this is this touched me very

842
00:31:57,149 --> 00:31:54,940
keenly because we always look for

843
00:31:59,789 --> 00:31:57,159
something else other than ourselves

844
00:32:02,220 --> 00:31:59,799
almost as if we fear ourselves more than

845
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,230
what may be out there do you see this

846
00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:04,480
cultural narrative as an inspiration on

847
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:07,269
either the paranormal or the unknown or

848
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,220
where does the folklore begin and where

849
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,039
does the reality of a situation

850
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:14,080
perceivably end yes absolutely I mean

851
00:32:18,989 --> 00:32:15,609
that's the trick of folklore you know

852
00:32:20,849 --> 00:32:18,999
because it's its 'men almost it's almost

853
00:32:23,869 --> 00:32:20,859
like this physical entity living within

854
00:32:25,859 --> 00:32:23,879
a subculture or a people group I mean

855
00:32:27,869 --> 00:32:25,869
they bring it with them like luggage

856
00:32:30,269 --> 00:32:27,879
when they maybe that's why I like in New

857
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:30,279
England because you can start here with

858
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,049
a myth or a legend or a piece of

859
00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:34,720
folklore that's centuries old and follow

860
00:32:39,539 --> 00:32:36,999
it through its routes to other places so

861
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:39,549
I from from New England and you know the

862
00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:42,369
story of Mercy Brown and the American

863
00:32:47,159 --> 00:32:44,139
vampires I can follow that back through

864
00:32:48,989 --> 00:32:47,169
to Europe and you know it's this just it

865
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:48,999
spreads folklore kind of moves along

866
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:51,940
almost like a virus or you know some

867
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,780
sort of baggage that

868
00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:54,880
bring with you so you know I what I

869
00:32:59,910 --> 00:32:57,340
think I've begun to pick up on is that

870
00:33:03,270 --> 00:32:59,920
humans just don't like not knowing you

871
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,280
know we we crave explanations we we

872
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:04,720
don't like there to be an unanswered

873
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,610
question and maybe that's a product of

874
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:08,080
the modern age and the age of

875
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:09,700
enlightenment and in the scientific

876
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:11,260
method and really digging for the truth

877
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:12,940
and those are all good things but we

878
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:15,070
crave explanations so any supernatural

879
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:17,080
events you know did they make us search

880
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:18,820
for explanations that end up sounding

881
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:21,670
like supernatural stories or you know or

882
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:24,310
do they or do we use made-up stories as

883
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:27,010
a tool to explain deep concepts or

884
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:28,780
things that we can't otherwise wrap our

885
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,370
minds around you know it's impossible to

886
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:32,320
say you know it's like really old

887
00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:34,390
cultures who would you know call the

888
00:33:37,770 --> 00:33:36,070
mountains the bones of the earth and

889
00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:37,780
think of the earth as like this dead

890
00:33:41,670 --> 00:33:40,060
creature that that once was alive and

891
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:41,680
moving and was killed by one of the

892
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,630
Titans with the gods and now we can see

893
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:46,000
the bones here and you know finding a

894
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:49,000
way to wrap minds around stuff that's

895
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:51,340
just too hard to understand and I think

896
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:52,540
it's impossible to say I think it's

897
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:54,580
probably a little bit of both because

898
00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:55,870
nothing's ever black and white you know

899
00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:57,430
it's it's never all or nothing it's

900
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:00,520
always a mix it's there's gray so yeah I

901
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:03,610
I see I I just see humans constantly

902
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:05,650
craving answers an explanation and when

903
00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:07,270
there isn't one that they can grasp or

904
00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:09,399
find you'll usually find in a culture

905
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:11,500
some sort of a story you know made up

906
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:13,240
that kind of explains why I mean

907
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,130
speaking of storytelling that's what

908
00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:17,919
sets your show apart from most podcasts

909
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:19,899
I think that deal with the esoteric or

910
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:22,480
the quote-unquote paranormal um how do

911
00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:26,230
you view storytelling now what sets it

912
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:28,840
apart from generations before well I

913
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:31,480
mean what I do is oral storytelling you

914
00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:32,649
know in the truest sense there's no

915
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:34,659
there's no pictures there's no it's just

916
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:36,790
my voice and some music for mood you

917
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:38,409
know so I think oral storytelling is

918
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:40,690
very similar to to what has always been

919
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:42,970
I mean anybody that's been a camp you

920
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,380
know at some point in their you know

921
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:45,520
middle school or high school years

922
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,899
there's got some story about you know

923
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:48,159
I'm sitting around the campfire and

924
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:49,419
telling stories that are local to that

925
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:51,730
campsite or whatnot and honestly the

926
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:53,649
only things that have changed over the

927
00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:56,830
centuries are delivery methods and and

928
00:35:00,750 --> 00:34:59,140
the audience size the a century ago you

929
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:00,760
would tell story to a dozen people

930
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:03,010
sitting on your front porch and that was

931
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:05,260
about as big as it got you know in the

932
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:06,670
past we would have gathered around

933
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:08,890
fire and then you know you speak the

934
00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:10,930
words to each other and maybe there

935
00:35:15,830 --> 00:35:13,420
would be costumes or dance or

936
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:15,840
recreations of battles maybe it's just

937
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:18,250
standing there and talking but the power

938
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:21,160
I think was in the words and and I like

939
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:22,690
to think of it as a tribal experience

940
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:24,910
whether you're from a culture that calls

941
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:26,170
it a tribe or not you know it's a

942
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:29,590
community event and because of that the

943
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,870
audience was also the you know they were

944
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:33,040
they were the participants they were

945
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:35,050
they were picking up the story that was

946
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:36,370
being laid down for them and kind of

947
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,930
they lived with it day in day out and

948
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:40,480
it's a story was it just became this

949
00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:42,730
glue that held everything together you

950
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:45,670
know beliefs lessons history all of it

951
00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:47,470
was taught through story you know that's

952
00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:49,780
what the the the folk tales and fairy

953
00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:51,580
tales that Hans Christian Andersen and

954
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:53,260
I'm blanking not Grimm's the Grimm

955
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:55,030
brothers gathered together over the

956
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,710
years I mean one of the things that they

957
00:36:01,920 --> 00:35:59,280
really wanted to do is was capture this

958
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:01,930
vocal oral storytelling that was going

959
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,970
on all around them and there was slight

960
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:05,440
differences from town to town and all

961
00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:06,460
that but they wanted to capture it all

962
00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:07,960
because that's that's how things were

963
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:09,220
being passed along sometimes it was

964
00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:11,230
lessons sometimes it was history it was

965
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:13,120
all taught their story I think what's

966
00:36:17,070 --> 00:36:14,890
different now is that today we're we're

967
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:17,080
really nomadic people you know I think

968
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:19,420
we move a lot more than our parents did

969
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:21,580
or our grandparents did it's easier you

970
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:23,410
can pick up and move 2,000 miles away

971
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,090
and Facebook connects you with people

972
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:26,800
and you know you don't feel like you're

973
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:29,590
you really away at all in a sense so

974
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:31,720
there are fewer and fewer geographical

975
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:34,540
tribes but the internet connects us in a

976
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:36,790
way that you know television and even

977
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:38,710
radio before that couldn't do because

978
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:40,630
even radio had had limits to its reach

979
00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:42,910
so it puts people in direct contact with

980
00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:44,620
each other and and and that means that

981
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:46,360
hundreds or thousands or millions of

982
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:47,950
people can can all hear and interact

983
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:50,470
with the story like all at the same time

984
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:52,270
or you know all in the same day it's

985
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:53,740
it's it's kind of crazy when you think

986
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:55,330
about it you know you mentioned in the

987
00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:57,640
intro about 2 million downloads actually

988
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,990
this month I'm gonna hit the 9 million

989
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:00,880
download for lore and you think about

990
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,980
that like 9 million I mean sure I've got

991
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,170
25 episodes out so you have to do some

992
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:06,880
division by that but still that's that's

993
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:08,890
a lot of people who are all gathering

994
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:10,930
around this this virtual campfire you

995
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,090
know and I think it really speaks to how

996
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:15,520
how much people just love to have story

997
00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:17,650
told to them and I love doing it so

998
00:37:22,650 --> 00:37:20,200
we're exactly nicely it really does yeah

999
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:22,660
it's a wonderful dichotomy I mean that's

1000
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:25,050
that's absolutely incredible 9 million

1001
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:31,450
congratulations I said I I think you're

1002
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:34,210
right it's that dichotomy of sort of the

1003
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:37,570
isolation of being you know face to face

1004
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:40,120
with the computer screen by yourself but

1005
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:41,890
being able to connect with people from

1006
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:43,960
all around the world all events or

1007
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:46,570
absolutely at your convenience so yeah

1008
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:49,300
it's uh says a lot about the times and

1009
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:51,550
cannot really be argued that it's either

1010
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:53,470
a positive or negative like you said

1011
00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:55,060
earlier it's still in that gray area

1012
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:57,340
yeah absolutely and I mean you know the

1013
00:38:01,050 --> 00:37:59,410
because we do this oral storytelling not

1014
00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:01,060
in front of each other you know around a

1015
00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:03,400
fire on a porch or in a room together

1016
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:05,980
you do lose things because part of

1017
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:07,750
public speaking is you know body

1018
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,200
language and and the you know the just

1019
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:12,400
the way that your your eyes might look

1020
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:14,260
while you're in or the the smile in your

1021
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,030
face all of that communicates and so

1022
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:18,160
there are elements that we lose but you

1023
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:22,030
know I think that podcasting you know I

1024
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:23,110
realize it's been around for a decade

1025
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:24,850
and for a long time it's been kind of

1026
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,590
this nerd thing that you have to

1027
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:28,000
understand RSS feeds and how to

1028
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,370
subscribe and how it all works but it's

1029
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:32,320
hopefully it's becoming more and more

1030
00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:34,330
accessible to people I think I think the

1031
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:35,590
growth we're seeing things too shows

1032
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:37,660
like serial and in this American life

1033
00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:39,550
through NPR I think that's it's helping

1034
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,950
teach the non-technical people more

1035
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:44,560
about how they can dive into the world

1036
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:46,840
of podcasting and find stuff and you

1037
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:48,730
know who knows maybe over the years to

1038
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:51,250
come we're gonna find ways for those

1039
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:52,750
things like body language and

1040
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:55,180
expressions and you know just being in

1041
00:38:59,460 --> 00:38:56,740
the room of somebody to be replicated in

1042
00:39:00,570 --> 00:38:59,470
some way I don't know how but in some

1043
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:00,580
way you know all right

1044
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:03,610
the singularity at its best that's right

1045
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,330
I mean we we found this as our outlet to

1046
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:09,520
get these you know very controversial

1047
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:12,910
and or you know esoteric topics out to

1048
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:15,370
the public in the way we thought we

1049
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:17,110
could do that best and you seem to have

1050
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:19,410
done that both in podcast form and books

1051
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:22,270
are you working on any new books as we

1052
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:25,000
speak can we expect anything in the

1053
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,850
coming year so I actually have a lot on

1054
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:30,160
my plate this year that is that is lore

1055
00:39:33,689 --> 00:39:31,569
related but not

1056
00:39:35,789 --> 00:39:33,699
regular podcast episodes so you know

1057
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:35,799
everybody's gonna get every other week

1058
00:39:38,729 --> 00:39:36,729
we're gonna get a brand new lore episode

1059
00:39:40,709 --> 00:39:38,739
that doesn't go away like that's that's

1060
00:39:42,749 --> 00:39:40,719
what it is my patreon members by the way

1061
00:39:45,509 --> 00:39:42,759
get extra episodes they get like I can

1062
00:39:47,759 --> 00:39:45,519
do to Laura shorts you know five minute

1063
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,769
long or so one story not a lot of

1064
00:39:51,299 --> 00:39:49,599
background stuff it's just let's get

1065
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:51,309
into the story and this is really cool I

1066
00:39:54,749 --> 00:39:52,690
want to share it with you and they get

1067
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:54,759
those on the off weeks so I'm cuz of the

1068
00:39:58,140 --> 00:39:56,049
things that I'm constantly creating but

1069
00:39:59,309 --> 00:39:58,150
I have some I have some other projects

1070
00:39:59,779 --> 00:39:59,319
in the works I can't talk about all of

1071
00:40:05,729 --> 00:39:59,789
them

1072
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:05,739
I'm taking the transcripts from all of

1073
00:40:09,479 --> 00:40:08,170
2015 episodes there's 24 of them you

1074
00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:09,489
know it's basically just it's all the

1075
00:40:12,689 --> 00:40:11,140
words that I said typed out you know

1076
00:40:14,759 --> 00:40:12,699
it's it's copies of my transcripts with

1077
00:40:16,349 --> 00:40:14,769
the footnotes and you know links to

1078
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,359
articles and whatnot and I'll release

1079
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:19,119
that in February as a as a paperback in

1080
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,650
an e-book and things like that my my

1081
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:22,839
patreon backers at a certain level have

1082
00:40:26,279 --> 00:40:25,150
a paperback coming to them so and I

1083
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:26,289
promised months ago that I would come

1084
00:40:30,809 --> 00:40:28,269
out in February I as a designer you know

1085
00:40:32,339 --> 00:40:30,819
with with experience doing paperback

1086
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:32,349
layout and cover design and all that I

1087
00:40:35,699 --> 00:40:34,209
didn't think that taking the text and

1088
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:35,709
then making it into a physical book

1089
00:40:38,579 --> 00:40:38,170
would actually take that much effort on

1090
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:38,589
my part

1091
00:40:43,529 --> 00:40:41,049
mm-hmm I'm hiring a fantastic cover

1092
00:40:46,049 --> 00:40:43,539
illustrator who did the new Raven shirt

1093
00:40:48,449 --> 00:40:46,059
for me he's a his name was Christopher

1094
00:40:50,339 --> 00:40:48,459
downs he's a cartoonist political

1095
00:40:52,949 --> 00:40:50,349
cartoonist in in Tasmania the whole

1096
00:40:54,689 --> 00:40:52,959
place oh wow but he's you know he was

1097
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:54,699
voted the best political cartoonist of

1098
00:40:59,549 --> 00:40:57,609
2015 in Australia and like super super

1099
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,559
talented and he's got this this love of

1100
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:02,079
like that that Edward Mori creepy side

1101
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:04,529
kind of like would fit really well in a

1102
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:07,150
Tim Burton movie kind of style so he's

1103
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:08,559
gonna do the cover art for it and then

1104
00:41:11,459 --> 00:41:10,209
I'm working right now on the what I've

1105
00:41:14,279 --> 00:41:11,469
gotten hung up in the footnotes actually

1106
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:14,289
it's it's kind of a mess but it's just

1107
00:41:16,979 --> 00:41:15,910
it's about it's not formatted I think

1108
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:16,989
it's the first book I've laid out that

1109
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:18,849
actually has like endnotes and you know

1110
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:21,249
all that kind of stuff but um I want to

1111
00:41:25,319 --> 00:41:23,170
work on a sequel to grave suspicion for

1112
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:25,329
me there are there are there are

1113
00:41:28,289 --> 00:41:26,890
plotters and Panthers when it comes to

1114
00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:28,299
fiction you know there are Panthers like

1115
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:29,589
Stephen King who just sit down with an

1116
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:30,910
idea and they write until they're done

1117
00:41:36,269 --> 00:41:34,390
me I'm a plotter I like to sit down and

1118
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:36,279
outline the entire book I want to know

1119
00:41:40,589 --> 00:41:37,690
what each chapter is gonna have happen

1120
00:41:42,329 --> 00:41:40,599
in it and then I can just then I can put

1121
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:42,339
a repeating task on my to-do list and

1122
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:44,990
say write thousand words and

1123
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:47,030
you know it's everyday and so then I we

1124
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:48,410
know when it's when it's time to write I

1125
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:49,970
opened up my outline and say where am i

1126
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,560
okay Chapter three this is what I'm

1127
00:41:54,850 --> 00:41:52,880
writing about today and I write it you

1128
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:54,860
know of all the continuity the flow has

1129
00:41:59,050 --> 00:41:57,530
already planned out so what I need to do

1130
00:42:00,070 --> 00:41:59,060
is find time to sit down and do that and

1131
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:00,080
it would probably take me about a week

1132
00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:02,090
to just like you know hit my head

1133
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:04,340
against a wall and mash out some sort of

1134
00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:06,170
an outline I have ideas for the for the

1135
00:42:10,740 --> 00:42:08,300
sequel to that book but that's that's

1136
00:42:15,609 --> 00:42:10,750
the fiction project I've got and yeah I

1137
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:15,619
can't wait man so let me said I mean are

1138
00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:18,680
there any any sort of topics and or

1139
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,900
folklore that you haven't covered yet

1140
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:23,119
that you hope to or that you would

1141
00:42:26,830 --> 00:42:24,770
really like to you know

1142
00:42:29,170 --> 00:42:26,840
okay so confession time I have a hard

1143
00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:29,180
time pronouncing words and other

1144
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:31,640
languages I took German in high school

1145
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:33,950
Germans a pretty easy language to wrap

1146
00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:36,230
your tongue around so I you know if you

1147
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:37,670
listen to the show I've butchered words

1148
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:41,660
in in Icelandic and I try my best I try

1149
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:44,210
my best with you know Algonquin and you

1150
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:46,430
know things like that so I need to get

1151
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,020
over that fear I mean even things like

1152
00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:50,720
Irish yeah you know there are some

1153
00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:53,300
things like I would love to cover you

1154
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:55,580
know the story of the Banshee you know

1155
00:43:00,070 --> 00:42:57,650
but but it's written out in certain ways

1156
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:00,080
and different myths that I need to

1157
00:43:03,490 --> 00:43:01,270
figure out how to pronounce the words

1158
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:03,500
you know so that's sometimes that's the

1159
00:43:07,810 --> 00:43:05,090
hold up it's like I have to say this

1160
00:43:10,330 --> 00:43:07,820
verbally how how am I going to do that

1161
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:10,340
so but but outside of that I would

1162
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,080
really love to explore non-european

1163
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:15,440
cultures as well but it's hard because

1164
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:17,450
you know a lot of the source materials

1165
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,910
not in a language that I can read and

1166
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:22,400
Google Translate can only do so much for

1167
00:43:27,070 --> 00:43:25,490
you and so I'm I'm trying my best

1168
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:27,080
you know the today's episode that just

1169
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:30,290
came out today the cave episode 25 is is

1170
00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:32,390
on an island called chill away off the

1171
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:34,580
coast of Chile and I wrap my head around

1172
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:37,700
a lot of words that I didn't know that I

1173
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:39,500
could pronounce but there are resources

1174
00:43:43,780 --> 00:43:41,930
online I think how to pronounce calm has

1175
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:43,790
has become a good help for me if you

1176
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:45,500
select the language that the word is you

1177
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:47,570
paste the word and it'll it'll speak it

1178
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,150
for you which is kind of cool so you

1179
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:51,680
know I I want to get a little bit more

1180
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:54,140
global with the stories but I have to do

1181
00:43:58,750 --> 00:43:56,630
it carefully and it's when you move

1182
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:58,760
outside of English it's harder and hard

1183
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:01,430
to do things and not lose listeners and

1184
00:44:05,380 --> 00:44:03,530
upset people from those cultures and I

1185
00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:05,390
want to be careful of course I mean

1186
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:07,460
that's the struggle with you know sort

1187
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:09,560
of folklore is what gets lost in

1188
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,330
translation or what comes off and is

1189
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:13,760
disrespectful or yeah absolutely I could

1190
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:15,140
see the struggle in that for sure but

1191
00:44:19,210 --> 00:44:16,910
that's exciting nonetheless sort of

1192
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:19,220
branching out globally with this I think

1193
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:21,290
that's a great way to go and it can only

1194
00:44:27,250 --> 00:44:24,410
really go up from there absolutely it's

1195
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,260
it's obvious my friend that you've found

1196
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,880
an incredible outlet to tell your

1197
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:30,560
stories that most people either don't

1198
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:32,510
think about or they're sort of too

1199
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:34,760
afraid to confront but work you're doing

1200
00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:36,680
that seems to be changing one episode at

1201
00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:38,660
a time and I personally look forward to

1202
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,700
what comes next and where can we find

1203
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:43,520
out more about Laura and the books

1204
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:45,110
you're working on and your your your

1205
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:48,380
live performances that I sure yeah so

1206
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:50,270
I've done three live performances they

1207
00:44:56,740 --> 00:44:54,560
were in October November and it was it

1208
00:44:59,140 --> 00:44:56,750
was a good season for that because you

1209
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:59,150
know the weather was still decent and in

1210
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:00,920
New England the winters just kind of

1211
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:04,400
rough and and I don't know when I'll do

1212
00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:06,770
the next live show because with some of

1213
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:08,180
the plans that I have coming up there's

1214
00:45:10,930 --> 00:45:09,470
gonna be some travel involved with them

1215
00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:10,940
that won't allow me to do things like

1216
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,340
that plus if I ask people where they

1217
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:14,480
want me to do live show the answer is

1218
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:16,190
pretty much anywhere and that that's

1219
00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:17,900
hard and I have a young family you know

1220
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:19,160
I've got kids who are in you know

1221
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:20,630
kindergarten first grade so it's hard to

1222
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:23,630
to pack them up and rent an RV and drive

1223
00:45:26,830 --> 00:45:25,250
around for two or three weeks it just I

1224
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:26,840
would go insane and I wouldn't be

1225
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:28,970
productive so I have to figure that out

1226
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,610
carefully but yeah um live shows have

1227
00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:33,440
been really fun all of them have sold

1228
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:35,360
out you know hundreds of people coming

1229
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,190
to them it was actually a very surreal

1230
00:45:41,590 --> 00:45:40,400
experience after my first live show in

1231
00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:41,600
Portsmouth New Hampshire there was a

1232
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:44,360
line for 90 minutes of people who wanted

1233
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:46,450
to shake my hand take a picture with me

1234
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:49,490
you know get a book signed and you know

1235
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:51,170
buy books and stuff it was I didn't

1236
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:52,970
expect any of it you know like I walked

1237
00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:56,090
away just I was speechless I still

1238
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:58,070
surreal is the only thing I can say to

1239
00:46:02,620 --> 00:45:59,330
people a lot of times like this is just

1240
00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:02,630
so surreal it's very cool and I'm

1241
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:05,150
humbled by it all so but yeah lord

1242
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:07,190
podcast.com is a really great place to

1243
00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:10,820
go to you know listen to new episodes if

1244
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:12,260
you look at the episode description

1245
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:12,570
there's

1246
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:14,730
a link to a music page for that episode

1247
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,310
that'll list the songs that are used

1248
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:18,480
musicians are all on places like

1249
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:20,490
SoundCloud and you know the people like

1250
00:46:25,310 --> 00:46:23,340
Chad Lawson who is a you know an iTunes

1251
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:25,320
top 10 classical pianist you know he's

1252
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,930
he's become a good friend and his music

1253
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:29,880
is just insanely great and people need

1254
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:32,790
to check that out me you my you you

1255
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:34,710
he's another fantastic musician in there

1256
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:36,660
so there's there's cool stuff to explore

1257
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:37,830
there's a transcripts page where you can

1258
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:38,910
learn about how to get transcripts of

1259
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:41,220
episodes and I'm thinking about putting

1260
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,470
like a no I wouldn't call it blog but

1261
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:45,180
like a news page on the site just so

1262
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:47,550
people can be up-to-date Adhan on other

1263
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:48,690
things the cool stuff that I haven't

1264
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:50,010
announced yet that I want to someday

1265
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:52,650
like where do I do that so but yell or

1266
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:54,930
podcast calm which Lord podcast is

1267
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:56,010
pretty much where you can follow the

1268
00:47:01,640 --> 00:46:57,990
show anywhere Facebook Instagram Twitter

1269
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,650
all at lore podcasts and then I have my

1270
00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:03,960
own personal page online aaron mckie

1271
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:06,750
calm and I use that for for the fiction

1272
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:09,090
and and I blog there occasionally about

1273
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:10,890
things like Lauren and whatnot

1274
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:13,740
yeah and I'm am Ahn ke on Twitter and I

1275
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,690
have a fan page on Facebook people try

1276
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:17,460
to friend me on like my personal account

1277
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:19,500
and I always delete those requests cuz

1278
00:47:23,570 --> 00:47:21,660
oh of course yeah personal Facebook is

1279
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,580
personal Facebook but but I've got a fan

1280
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:25,380
page for both floor and my writing stuff

1281
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:26,850
so people can check that out thank you

1282
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:29,250
so much for joining us today man and all

1283
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:31,170
the best with your upcoming projects

1284
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,910
thanks I really appreciate it alright

1285
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:34,740
that is it for this week's show to find

1286
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:37,250
all of Aaron makies work visit lore

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00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:39,990
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next week we dive right back into the

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we talked all about her favorite and

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most interesting interviews she's

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conducted on her acclaimed podcast into

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the fray you won't want to miss this

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jam-packed interview next Sunday on all

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major podcast outlets I'll see you next

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00:49:06,470 --> 00:48:57,780
week and remember keep your feet on the

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00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,480
ground but never what was that anyways

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00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,700
keep your feet on the ground but never

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stop searching somewhere in the skies

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